NHL Rumors III: Bruins, Iginla, Ducks, Maple Leafs, Subban and Callahan


  • Joe Haggerty of CSNNE: Reports out of Montreal have the Bruins and Jarome Iginla talking contract extension. Nothing appears to be imminent, but the signs are positive that he’ll be returning next season.

    “I thought he started out a little slow when he came on, but he came on late and he came on strong. Obviously he’s a leader, he’s the captain of another team for a long time and he came in and added in an element to our group, especially the forward group,” said Bruins President Cam Neely during the end-of-season press conference last month. “He ended up scoring 30 goals, which is not easy in this league anymore.

    “We would like to try and see if we can figure something out moving forward with him. We will see where that goes but I thought he fit in really well with our team.”

    The Bruins currently have about $7.9 million in cap space with restricted free agents Matt Bartkowski, Torey Krug and Reilly Smith to re-sign and they need to find a backup goalie.

  • Eric Duhatschek of the Globe and Mail: The Ducks are believed to be looking for a No. 2 center, and will be likely tied to three centers who are said to be available: Ryan Kesler, Jason Spezza and Joe Thornton. The Ducks have plenty of young assets. Spezza would be a nice fit as he only has a $4 million salary to go along with his $7 million cap hit. A package for Spezza would be similar to what the Ducks received from the Senators when they sent Bobby Ryan there: a first, a prospect and a player. The Ducks would likely prefer to trade their first round pick and not the one they received from the Senators.  The cost to acquire Kesler would likely be similar to the it would cost to get Spezza. Acquiring Thornton would be a long-shot. The Maple Leafs are rumored to be a potential landing spot for Thornton. Leafs GM Dave Nonis would be fine with moving one of Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner in the right deal, but is Thornton the right deal?
  • David Pagnotta: Contract talks between the Canadiens and P.K. Subban haven’t started yet, but should begin soon.
  • Erik Erlendsson: Can’t image that Lightning’s Ryan Callahan won’t test the free agent market at this point.

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  1. #1 by Chris at June 10th, 2014

    “Leafs GM Dave Nonis would be fine with moving one of Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner in the right deal, but is Thornton the right deal?”

    No.

  2. #2 by JJ at June 10th, 2014

    Would love to see Callahan in a CBJ sweater…he’d be a perfect fit.

  3. #3 by Leaf fan forever at June 10th, 2014

    “Leafs GM Dave Nonis would be fine with moving one of Nazem Kadri and Jake Gardiner in the right deal, but is Thornton the right deal?”

    Are you kidding me? I’d trade both those guys for a shot at Jumbo Joe.

    Leafs need a pure #1 center, Joe is that. Thornton, Kessel and JVR could be the best line in hockey!

    Every Leaf fan says the Leafs need a #1 center, yet they don’t want to move Bozak, Kadri or Bolland. If the Leafs were to aquire a #1 center, no way would Kadri or Bolland accept playing on the fourth line. You have to give up something to get something.

    Come on Shanny/Nonis let’s get something done, I don’t see this current Leaf team being much better next year, I really don’t. Major changes need to happen.

  4. #4 by Bob at June 10th, 2014

    Leaf fan forever, are you kidding me. Jumbo Joe only has a couple of decent years left in him. Both Kadri and Gardner are just at the beginning of their upward potential. We need to stop giving our future away to try and be a little bit better for 1-2 years. Joe is not the man for us.

  5. #5 by Canucks fan at June 10th, 2014

    Gardiner and Phaneuf for Thornton and Marleau?

  6. #6 by ChrisB at June 10th, 2014

    I don’t think anybody will dispute that TO has needed/wanted a legit 1C since pretty much Sundin left.

    I’m no Leaf fan, but IMO, it hasn’t been a glaring need, at least not to the extent of having to trade 1 or 2 of the Leafs few really good trade chips for. Not when those chips would be more likely better suited addressing their defense, which should be a higher priority at this time.

    Especially if Carlyle ends up sticking around for awhile, and is sticking to his really crappy D-zone breakout/transition strategy, which has been more facilitating their problems than it has been a correcting measure for them.

  7. #7 by Chris at June 10th, 2014

    @LeafFanForever

    Reasons why you are wrong

    1. The line of Kessel/Bozak/JVR WAS statistically one of the best lines in the NHL last year. If the Leafs had scoring depth they might have fared better.

    2. As Chris B puts it, Nonis has to fix what is wrong with the team first and that is defence. They don’t get out of their own end with any kind of competence let alone efficiency. Pretty hard to win when you play most of the game in your own end.

    3. IF the Leafs were able to make all the right moves and all of their top prospects hit their potential, they are a good 2-3 years away from being a contender…and realistically more than that. Thornton is 35 in July and his contract is up in 2 years. Giving up on young players for old players when you’re not a contender is a GREAT way to ruin your franchise.

    4. Leafs need real leaders; Joe Thornton doesn’t seem to be that. His team chokes every single year and he disappears in the playoffs.

    Gardiner and Kadri have both played less than 200 NHL games. That’s barely 2 seasons. Good teams like the Wings, Kings, Hawks etc. let their players develop and don’t give up on them after two seasons.

  8. #8 by rob at June 10th, 2014

    Jumbo Joe would fit but I wouldn’t trade kadri or Gardiner. Leafs have nothing to give beside a high draft pick. Also how much is jumbo Joe contract worth ?

  9. #9 by EastCoastHockeyFan at June 10th, 2014

    Joe dosn’t fit at all, and the price tag isnt worth it unless its to a team that thinks they can run for the cup and toronto isnt that team yet. ill be the same broken record, next year down the middle toronto’s best move is 1 Bozak 2 Kadri 3 Holland 4 McClement
    let bolland walk, save the cap, give holland the chance, he steped up into the 1/2 slot with injurys this year and impressed, mcclement is a work horse on the fourth bozak was great with jvr and kessel and kadri needs the time to mature and has earned his spot

  10. #10 by Leaf fan forever at June 11th, 2014

    So in other words leave everything as it is. They have had three monumental collapses in the past three seasons and you think the best way is to stand pat and let this team do it all over again?

    Kadri will be an UFA next year, he’s making close to 3 million a season now, he will be asking for closer to 5 million next year. You really want to keep Kadri for 5 million dollars? I’m not saying he is garbage but he is no way near a 5 million dollar player.

    As for Gardiner, he has shown flashes but thats all. This team defence statistically was one of the worst in NHL history so we should just bring back the same old guys and expect a massive turn around? This team with the same players will miss the playoffs next season but they aren’t bad enough to finish dead last. There will be no Connor MacDavid next year beleive me.

  11. #11 by goodwood77 at June 11th, 2014

    Everything you just said about Gardiner is correct, leaf fan forever, so why would another team put a premium value on that for a trade?

    Why does every leaf fan think their garbage is another teams gold?

    Gardiner may be a trade chip, but dont expect anything fantastic in return. Leafs just dont have the assests to make a big splash right now. thats why they need to stand pat and let guys develop.

  12. #12 by MIKE at June 11th, 2014

    LEAFS should trade phaneuf and lupal and the rights to franson for big joe and marleau. big joe marleau and Clarkson is a really good second line

  13. #13 by N.W. Ont Leafs Fan at June 11th, 2014

    @Leaf fan forever,

    Not sure what you’re talking about, but no one on here has said “leave everything as it is”. But what the consistent theme has been is that centre, even forward isn’t really the problem.
    Not sure how you can empirically support that the leafs D is one of the “worst in NHL history”, but they aren’t very good and one of the worst in league over the last couple of seasons. But since the forward corps has been one of the highest scoring teams each season, maybe the focus should be on the back end, which by definition would not be leaving everything as it is.
    As for Kadri being a 5mil player… This was is only his FIRST FULL SEASON of NHL play and if they can sign a guy that has been and will continue to grow to be a consistent 20+ goal scorer, than 4-5mil in today’s NHL is EXACTLY what he should/will get, either with the Leafs (hopefully) or on the FA market. Other players in the 4-5+mil range that are statistically similar offensive players to Kadri, or worse than he is (Kadri best 20g – strike shortened 44pt in 48gms: 20g-50pts in first full season); Parenteau salary and best numbers (4mil – 20g – 67pt in 80 games), Gagner (4.8mil – 18g-47pts in 76 games), Krejci (5.25mil – 20g – 62pt in 79 gms), Fleischmann 4.5mil (27g – 61pt in 82gms), Plekanec (29g [7seasons ago], 70pt in 82 games), Callahan (4.25mil – 29g-54pts in 76gms), Filppula (5mil – 25g-66pts in 82gms), Purcell (4.5mil – 24g-65pts in 82gms), Umberger (4.6mi – 26g-57pts in 82gms), Dubinsky (4.2mil – 20g-54pts in 77games), R. Malone (4.5mil – 27g-51pts in 77gms)… Sorry to harp on you but I think that I’ve made my point, with the spotlight and dissection that he has gone through and how he has and in all likelyhood will continue to presevere and produce (which is the best assessment that can be done during contract negotiations), Kadri is most definitely worth the contract that these guys are getting. If the Leafs let him walk or trade him for 35yr old Thorton (who I wished the Leafs could grab if he was 5 yrs younger) , it will come back and bite them like Russ Kortnell, Steve Sullivan Brad Boyes, Jason Smith, Tuukka Rask and sooo many other Cliff Fletcher/ John Ferguson Jr moves.

  14. #14 by Chris at June 11th, 2014

    @Leaffanforever

    1. Kadri is an RFA next year not a UFA. Very big difference.
    2. Gardiner has shown ‘flashes’ so why not let him learn to be consistent? The kid has 167 games of NHL experience. If you think that is enough to know what you have then you need to learn a little bit about hockey.

    Have a look at where Chara or Subban or Duncan Keith’s numbers after 160 games. They are very similar or worse than Gardiner’s.

    Your problem is that you see everybody else’s finished products but completely ignore the years of development that went into them. The Leafs have never committed this kind of time to their prospects before and it’s why we traded Steen, Rask, Boyes etc. before they had developed.

    Nobody said ‘do nothing’ but for young players ‘doing nothing’ is the best thing because they simply get better with experience.

    This team has monumentally collapsed as you correctly put it; so why trade assets for the captain of a team that collapses every year and had one of the worst collapses in NHL history this year (blowing a 3-0 series lead).

  15. #15 by Leaf fan forever at June 11th, 2014

    Chris,

    “This team has monumentally collapsed as you correctly put it; so why trade assets for the captain of a team that collapses every year and had one of the worst collapses in NHL history this year (blowing a 3-0 series lead).”

    Then what you are saying is that we shouldn’t trade assets for Sidney Crosby either. They had another massive collapse this season, not to mention last season, they haven’t be relevant since what 2007 or 2008. I mean come on. I know nobody wants to trade away good young talent, but nobody is going to give you anything worth while for Lupul, no wants Clarkson’s contract. If you want to improve your team you need to move something. I basically think Rielly and Gardiner are the same type of defenceman. I would absolutely hold on to Rielly. We have been talking about Jake Gardiner for 3 years now, I haven’t seen anything on a consistant basis that says he will be and top flight #1 or #2 defenceman. Now maybe if he got to play with Doughty or Weber or Keith, maybe yes he could, but as long as he is in Toronto he will never be what Leaf fans think he will be.

    If the Leafs were to land Thornton, I guarantee he’d have more points than Bozak did this year not to mention Kadri as well. We need a big body center than can go into the dirty corners of the game and not be pushed around, much like Mat Sundin did for years. Bozak, Kadri and Bolland are not or ever will be “that” type of center. Let’s not forget Thornton only has three years left on the contract, it’s not like he’d be playing well into his 40′s.

    If we don’t move our some of our young talent and we keep our defence in tact, this team will be fighting for an 8th spot in the playoffs at best. They will never be bad enough to finish dead last or good enough to move past the second round of the playoffs.

  16. #16 by Chris at June 11th, 2014

    “Then what you are saying is that we shouldn’t trade assets for Sidney Crosby either.”

    Um no. I think you are taking liberties.

    Sidney Crosby is 27 this August. Thornton is 35. One is in his prime and the other is past it. Big difference.

    Sidney Crosby has won. Thronton hasn’t.
    Sidney Crosby is a far better hockey player than Joe Thornton in all areas of the game except maybe playmaking (where he is just as good) and Pittsburgh’s collapse wasn’t blowing a 3-0 series lead.

    That’s a dumb argument.

    ” If you want to improve your team you need to move something.”

    “We have been talking about Jake Gardiner for 3 years now, I haven’t seen anything on a consistant basis that says he will be and top flight #1 or #2 defenceman.”

    IF the second part of your statement is true then the first one doesn’t make sense.. If you believe in your second statement then what makes you think another NHL team will give up anything of value for him?

    Waiting 3 years for a defenseman is the rule not the exception.

    Again your problem is that you don’t want to develop players or you think that developing a top 2 NHL defenceman should happen ih three years.

    Sorry but the facts don’t support you. It’s easy to look at a Drew Doughty and say “the Leafs need that”… so do 29 other teams. But defenceman like Doughty, who come in and dominate at 19, 20, 21 are so rare that basing your opinion of your own d men on him is absolutely laughable.

    Again, why don’t you look at some of the best defencemen in the NHL and see where they were at around the 160 game mark (or two seasons). Duncan Keith, PK Subban, Shea Weber, Zdeno Chara were all picked after the 1st round, all had similar numbers to Gardiner and none were thought of as top d men until they were given the right time and the right circumstances to develop into one.

    To give up on one or two 23 year olds for a 35 year old with 2 years left on his deal is exactly how not to win.

    How would Thornton solve the Leafs defensive issues? How would he solve their possession issues?

    160 games is not enough to judge a young player.

    Who would you rather have right now?
    Jiry Tlusty (top 6 forward on Carolina) or Phillipe Paradis (the 4th line AHLer they traded him for)?

    Tuukka Rask or Andrew Raycroft?
    Alex Steen or Lee Stempniak?
    Brad Boyes or Owen Nolan
    Viktor Stalberg or Kris Versteeg?
    Logan Couture or Vesa Toskala?

    In all of these cases the Leafs traded either a young or inexperienced player or draft pick for a more experienced player and it backfired in all cases.

    What they haven’t done is what Chicago, LA etc. did. No, I’m not talking about tanking. I’m talking about simply being bad while their players developed.

    The Chicago team that won the Cup in 2010 was nearly identical to the one that finished out of the playoffs in 2008. Kane, Sharp, Toews, Byfuglien, Keith, Seabrook, Hjalmersson, Ladd, Versteeg etc. were all on the roster that year.

    Did they trade any of them for a big old veteran? No. They let them gain more experience. They got smoked in 2009 and won in 2010.

    Are the Leafs going to do this? They don’t have a Toews or Kane prospect right now but the method should be the same.

    Accept the fact that the young players need more time and that the only way to turn these guys into top players is to let them gain experience. Imagine if the Hawks had said “well we missed the playoffs again. Let’s trade Hjalmersson and Keith (who had 1 more point than Gardiner that year) for some 35 year old. How would that have worked out?

    For once the Leafs are doing one thing right: They’re trying to develop players properly by giving them AHL experience and NHL experience before making a decision on them. Only time will tell fi they got the right players: ONLY time.

  17. #17 by rob at June 11th, 2014

    I think if the leafs want another center they should look somewhere else. Don’t give up on the young guys

  18. #18 by CED at June 11th, 2014

    I dont see why people dont think Joe is a good fit..? He possesses all the traits that the Leafs lack down the middle

    Faceoff man – we have enough trouble with puck possession as is, but it’s even worse when we can’t win key faceoffs. No wonder we jist keep icing the puck, start over again in our zone without being able to change lines, only to lose the draw and get pinned even longer in our zone until we ice the puck again…..no wonder we have so many shots against…

    Strong puck handler/flow control/cycler in offensive zone – people say to address the defensive problems, which i agree with…but we’re also saying that more time in the offensive zone is a big portion of it (not the entire fix tho). Having a strong cycler/puck controller is a huge step towards that.

    Big centre – I love Bozak with Kessel/JVR, but for a moment, imagine Joe maintaining strong possession with JVR maintaining strong position in front of the net, and now Kessel is released to run all over simply because of Joe’s imposing presence. Alternatively, if you want to keep Bozak on top line, Joe on 2nd line with Lupul and Raymond would be a very strong cycling trio…Raymond hustles with and without the puck, and Lupul moves well without the puck as well…when they were anchored by Kadri, Kadri just wasnt disciplined enough and was busy trying to make highlights rather than fundamentally sound cycling plays.

    So generally, my thoughts are that Joe is definitely worth considering for the right price…..

  19. #19 by CED at June 11th, 2014

    Another thought as well:

    I’ve heard the idea of Phaneuf for Thornton far more frequently than for Kadri/Gardner…what ever happened to that? The Sharks just unloaded a seasoned veteran on the blueline, and Phaneuf might be a good fit for that hole.

    Also, all this talk about developing our young players has a HUGE underlying assumption that our coaching staff can actually develop them effectively. Perhaps a large reason why so many of those players we’ve traded away blossomed after ia because they were in an atmosphere/organization that fit them and there was coaching that were able to develop them in ways/areas that Toronto coaching staff failed to do so. I look at teams like Detroit who constantly produce ugly duckling stories all over the place…they seem to develop stars out of otherwise invisible players. These players don’t jist blossom out of nowhere, but were both believed in from the start (which I’ll admit the Leafs don’t likely do enough of) and also developed by strong coaching/training staff (which I don’t think the Leafs are capable od doing effectively).

    Also, I personally don’t think we need huge changes on the blueline, but I think a trade like when we acquired Gleason was brilliant. I didnt at first, but when I saw that he just doesn’t get mentioned much during the game (i.e. making turnovers/bad plays, picking up stupid penalties, etc), he was a simple step towards an effective solution for the weaknesses on defense (granted some of that began to change as the season wore on into the losing skid, but I’d attribute that more to the frustration of the streak than to flaws in his game). If we can get maybe one more guy similar to Gleason to pair with Gardiner (assuming we keep him), I think it could help release Gardiner to be more offensively savvy and let him develop more. Reilly could also benefit in similar ways.

    One last point: one other reason why I don’t think we need to focus too much on changing our blueline is because I feel many flaws can be found in the lack of support from the forwards. Sometimes it feelz like a 5v5 is a powerplay against us because the forwards are often just found floating around while the opponent is cycling in our zone with chance after chance on Bernier/Reimer. The Dmen can only do so much without support, and so they easily get stretched in their own zone, pulled out of position failing to break the opponent’s cycle, so they get tired/lazy and caught puck-watching like so many of the forwards do. Kessel is a prime example: great scorer and brings havoc in the offensive zone, but he’s invisible in our zone until we break out.

    I’m no expert, but it’s just what I think anyway. Would love to hear thoughts on these.

  20. #20 by EastCoastHockeyFan at June 11th, 2014

    CED you do have some good points but first i will address why Thornton isn’t a fit for Toronto at the moment.
    Joe has a few good years left, and has value, and some term left. That being said, he is past his prime, he is not getting better. Bringing him in is not going to magically make the leafs a contender, they are not “a Thornton away” from claiming the cup. would he be a great fit feeding Phill and Jvr the next 2-3 years, yes. i wouldn’t mind seeing that my self. but in the mean time, we are giving away young assets to acquire him. and we are also giving the roster spot away, so instead of letting Kadri get the time and experience to hone his game we push him out of the top 6 or trade him off, watch his progress stall in Toronto or flourish on another team, and in 3 years Joe is gone, or at least an effective Joe is gone, and Kadri is a top center on another team. IF Toronto had a chance at making a cup run next year and you thought bringing in a player like him would seal the deal you do it, if you just want to try to make the play offs next year witch still isnt a sure thing do what leafs have all ways done give up your future for a very quick very expensive fix

    Phaneuf for Thornton would be giving away the leaf’s best defense man like him or not, he is the leaf’s best defense man at the moment. and bringing in another center that will take away a roster spot and ice time that the kids need to develop.
    so now you have Kadri playing 12m a night on the third line, and Franson? if they bring him back and Gunnarsson as your top pairing?
    so that leaves them needing a legit number 1 and number 2 d man, Kadri’s development stalling playing 12 min a night, and Holland sitting on the marlies
    just so you can watch Joe feed Jvr and Phill for 3 years, its not a smart move

    I am totally with out on the defense situation.
    I do like Toronto’s d core, and i think giving Gardiner and Rielly the next few sessions to come into there own is the best plan. That said, they need to work on team Defense structure, work on team defense first approach and i personally don’t think they have the coach that is going to teach them that. the players i have faith in tho.

    If you are right and the staff can not groom these players as needed its time to get new staff, not new players. Toronto top to bottom inside the office needs work, but no matter what trade you try to pull off if you don’t have the people to lead a team in the office they will not win on the ice

  21. #21 by hotwings at June 11th, 2014

    i love how your posts are basically in essay form… cmon, this is getting ridiculous.

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