Morning Rumors III: Sharks UFAs and a Potential Target, Bruins Blueline, Oilers Options and Larsson


  • Kevin Kurz of CSN Bay Area: (mailbag) Kurz thinks the odds of the Sharks re-signing Joe Thornton, Patrick Marleau and Dan Boyle are good. There is a very good chance that three year deals for Thornton and Marleau gets done soon. Boyle wants to stay in San Jose, and he’s looking for a deal longer than one-year. Kurz thinks that Stars Ray Whitney could be nice fit on a line with Thornton and Brent Burns. Whitney may only cost a 2nd round pick.
  • Fluto Shinzawa of the Boston Globe: With the injuries to the Bruins blueline, they’ll look for a defenseman. They don’t want to be shorthanded for the playoffs on the blueline for the second consecutive season. They would like a rental defenseman, as they’ll need the extra money to re-sign Torey Krug and Reilly Smith, who will both get raises from their $925,000 and $900,000 deals. The Bruins may prefer a left handed shooting, stay-at-home defenseman. It would likely cost them a pick and/or prospect. Potential trade targets could be: Chris Phillips (OTT), Andrew MacDonald (NYI), Kyle Quincey (DET) and Henrik Tallinder (BUF).
  • Jonathan Willis: With a limited amount of offensive players that may be available at this years trade deadline, Ales Hemsky should appeal to some teams. Given the history of rumors involving Hemsky, it’s not a given that they will move him. Hemsky may only net the Oilers ‘futures’, and that is something they really don’t need. They need more size and physicality on their top two lines, and help on the blueline. Trading either Nail Yakupov or Jordan Eberle would better fill their needs. The most likely scenario is for Hemsky to be moved.
  • TSN Quiz: Martin Biron, Aaron Ward and Darren Dreger on what the Oilers should do next? All responded with trading Jordan Eberle. Ward adds:  “To get value, you need to give up value.”
  • Tom Gulitti of the Bergon Record: It’s not sounding like the Devils will recall defenseman Adam Larsson any time soon. He’s working back from a knee injury suffered at the end of November. He’s recorded four assists in six AHL games.

    “He’ll stay there right now and play for a while,” Lamoriello said. “Right now, our defense is playing good and we just want him to get his total game back. He’s playing a lot and the team is playing very well. It’s a good team there right now.”

    The Devils currently have seven healthy roster defenseman, and Peter Harrold is getting closer to returning.

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  1. #1 by John at January 23rd, 2014

    Everyone keeps saying trade Eberle, but he is a guy who can perform under pressure, and big time.

  2. #2 by Chris at January 23rd, 2014

    John,

    That’s why other teams want him. If you only want to trade guys who you can live without (like Hemsky and Gagner) you’ll never get a good return.

    Nobody is going to trade a top goalie or a top defenseman for a depth player like Gagner.

    The Oilers have high end young talent up front but are super thin at d and even though Scrivens gave the Oilers some goaltending depth and was an upgrade on Dubnyk, they still need a bonafide #1.

    The Oilers need to pick two of the big four to build around and trade the other two to stabilize their franchise. If they could get a legitimate top four defensman who plays 25-30 good minutes per night and a proven goaltender, they would immediately improve by 100% and they’d have some mentors for their up and coming defensemen.

    In order to get those pieces though the Oilers have to give up an Eberle and to a lesser extent a Yakupov. I’d keep Hall and RNH as the guys to build around. If the Oilers could get a top d man and a starting goalie and then draft an Ekblad or a Reinhart, they’d have a much more balanced organization.

  3. #3 by John at January 23rd, 2014

    I get they have to give something up of value, but for me, RNH, Hall and Ebs are untouchable.

  4. #4 by GaryMagic at January 23rd, 2014

    Edmonton’s problem is they have too much youth/not enough experience. Their average age is 26 years old, which ties for 1st with 7 other clubs (all who are struggling this year, with only Columbus and Toronto pushing for playoff spots).

    RNH and Yakupov are both 20, Hall is 22, Eberle and Schultz are 23, Gagner 24, and Perron is 25. That makes for 7 of their top 9 scorers. The better teams in the league have shown us that a balance of vets and young guys is usually the way to go.

  5. #5 by Will at January 23rd, 2014

    John,

    Then where is the value on this team currently, if RNH, Hall and Eberle are untouchable?

  6. #6 by brutalLupul at January 23rd, 2014

    “I get they have to give something up of value, but for me, RNH, Hall and Ebs are untouchable.”

    This is why Edmonton are where they are in the standings. Hemsky and Ganger are only going to get you Hemsky and ganger type players back.

    No one is untouchable on a team like the Oilers.

  7. #7 by hotwings at January 23rd, 2014

    if i was an edmonton fan, id be pretty incredulous by now…. its somewhat mind boggling that they have had the same organizational question hanging over the teams head for four seasons now, namely: when are they going to improve the defense by bringing in a number 1 or 2 dman to settle things down back there…

    also, in terms of both goaltending and defense, they seem to just be making lateral moves with any progress at the positions, arguable.

  8. #8 by GaryMagic at January 23rd, 2014

    ^^ Yup. Dubnyk for Scrivens made zero sense. BUT. They deal a 3rd round pick, which they really don’t need considering the youth, and they pick up Hendricks. It’s a move of inches, which is something. But they need much more than that. They need a blockbuster trade, most likely in the offseason, once the salary cap rises. And that means a player, not a 1st round pick, even if it’s the first pick. Trading Gagner is a tilt, but they need a shakeup.

  9. #9 by Chris at January 23rd, 2014

    @John and that is the problem. Yakupov might have some value but you’d just get a prospect in return.

    Eberle would get a legitimate player. Eberle would get the Oilers a Kris Letang calibre player which is what the Oilers need.

    The problem with Oiler fans, and I used to see it a lot with my fellow Leaf fans, is that they seem to want to believe that other GMs are stupid. No GM is gonna say, “Hey that Sam Gagner is a terrible player on a terrible team. Maybe I’ll give up one of my best players for him.”

    When making up trade scenarios I usually follow this protocol.

    1. I ask myself to draw up a list of players that I would definitely NOT want to see leave. This list is going to be the same list as what another GM wants.

    2. I make a list of players I want to see moved and why I would want to move them. These would be the same players that other teams would not want for the same reasons.

    3. When I think of a proposal, I think whether or not another team could beat the proposal.

    So for example if you don’t want to move Eberle because he’s a game breaking, highly skilled forward, other teams will want him because he is a game breaking highly skilled forward.

    On the flip side, if you want to get rid of Sam Gagner because he is small, overpaid, doesn’t produce points, doesn’t win faceoffs and is bad defensively, then other teams will not want to trade for him for this reason.

    Lastly, I’ll use this gem from TSN boards: “Hemsky, Gagner and a 2nd for Weber”. If Weber were available, would any other teams beat the offer of a small injury prone winger on an expiring contract, a small overpaid centre who is bad defensively and offensively, and a 2nd roundpick in a bad draft? The answer is yes. Philly already signed him to an offer sheet which would have given up FIVE FIRST round picks. So would my Leafs be able to beat that? Gotta think the conversation starts with Morgan Rielly, Nazem Kadri and a 1st. Why? Those are 3 pieces I don’t want Toronto to trade. Would I think that would be enough? Probably NOT but it would blow that Edmonton proposal out of the water.

    I’m perplexed at Oiler fans sometimes. Many act like these pieces are key elements of a dynasty and yet none of these players have accomplished anything significant in their NHL careers besides putting up some points on one of the worst teams in hockey.

  10. #10 by John at January 23rd, 2014

    I don’t see why you couldn’t package those players for 1 bigger one, Gagner hemsky yakky (also why would you not just wait for yakky to have higher value?) this is not a 1 season thing. My view is that There will be more oppurtunities over time, there is no reason to make a stupid move now. They are not gunna turn the ship soon.

  11. #11 by Chris at January 24th, 2014

    Why can’t you package Gagner, Hemsky and Yakupov for a bigger one?

    Because those teams gain nothing by giving a good player away for three bad ones.

    Because no team has that kind of cap space this year.

    Because the only team that would take a guy like Hemsky unless they are a playoff team and playoff teams don’t give up top players for lesser players before a playoff run.

    You want to know what those guys are wortth?

    Hemsky – 3rd round pick

    Gagner – a bad contract in return (Like Leino) and a 3rd round pick

    Yakupov – another struggling prospect with potential like Simon Despres or a mid 1st round pick.

    None of these guys are going to get you what you need. You’ll have to give something of quality o get quality. 3 crap players do not equal one good one.

  12. #12 by John at January 24th, 2014

    Look at today’s tsn panel. Win.

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